APR 1986 - #8 +-------------------------------------------+ <<-----<>----->> | | | L OOOO OOOO PPPPP | A LOOP FAMILY | L O O O O P P | INTEREST GROUP | L O O O O P P | NEWSLETTER | THE L O O O O PPPPP | | L O O O O P | <<-----<>----->> | L O O O O P | | LLLLL OOOO OOOO P | Victor L. Bennison | | 2 Georgetown Drive | SSSS CCCC OOOO OOOO PPPPP | Amherst, NH 03031 | S C O O O O P P | | S C O O O O P P | <<-----<>----->> | SSS C O O O O PPPPP | | S C O O O O P | 4 issues yearly | S C O O O O P | January, April, | SSSS CCCC OOOO OOOO P | July, October | | +-------------------------------------------+ <<-----<>----->> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EDITOR'S NOTE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's time to renew your subscription to the Loop Scoop. I've included a self-addressed envelope for your convenience. The regular subscription rate will remain $15 for the coming year. Remember that if you are a retired person, living on a fixed income, and for whom the $15 would pose a hardship, then you may subscribe for the reduced rate of $5. Anyone subscribing during this coming issue year (July,'86 - April,'87) will receive exactly four issues (#9 through #12). Exciting news! Janet Loop has published two books on different Loop lines and says she is working on a third. See the "Notes and Announcements" section for more details. (c) Victor L. Bennison, 1985 ****************************** ARTICLE ********************************* Autobiography of H. Enzo Loop [excerpted and edited by Victor L. Bennison from a copy of the original manuscript submitted by Bess (Loop) Olson.] I was born in the state of Pennsylvania, April 24, 1881, in a farmhouse near Prentissvale. You will not find Prentissvale on a map as it was only an old fashioned store and a post office. To locate my birthplace on an atlas map it was about three miles from the three small towns of Eldred, Duke Center, and Rixford. I remember distinctly when my father left the old home to carve a new one way across the whole country in Washington state. I remember as he kissed my mother good-bye at the head of the stairway in the house where I was born. I remember also how brother Dan and I then put his trunk in the old farm wagon and took him to the train. Father left home in 1889. Must have been in the fall of the year because he would not have left until things were all ready for the winter. Do I remember anything before he left? I used to "rake after" as we were hauling in the hay. One of the older boys would be driving the team and loading the hay. Father and I would be on the ground and he would be "pitching on." After he had pitched on each "cock" I would rake up the leavings with a long handled hay rake and carry it to the next cock. After we had completed the load and were ready to go to the barn, father would pick up any of us little kids and boost us up the side of the load and Dan would take a hold of our hands and pull us up onto the load. Then we would ride to the barn. I can also remember father as he carried the syrup with a basswood yoke across his shoulders, after we had finished a sap run in the sugar bush. Father always had a flock of sheep on the farm. We made money by selling the wool and also by selling the lambs. After the lambs were about half grown we would cut off their tails. I cannot tell you why here. I would catch the lamb and father would use a block and as I held the lamb he would chop off the tail. I was eight years old when father left. I was practically eighteen years old when I myself arrived in Washington. After father left, the older boys ran the farm for mother for awhile, about two years. Grandma Keyes loaned mother and father some money to buy the old home. Because we could not make ends meet and at the same time pay for the place, father decided to take up a homestead. The Homestead Act gave anyone 160 acres of land which the government owned in the western states. Because of father's four years of service in the Civil War he could count that. Sometime after their marriage, father and mother left Pennsylvania to go to Michigan where grandpa Loop (Norry Loop) lived. He had left his home in Pennsylvania many years before. The last part of his large family were born in Michigan. A part of his family, Uncle Addison and Aunt Helen, never left Pennsylvania. Now when my oldest sister was to be born I do not know whether father and mother had left Pennsylvania for Michigan, because Grandma Keys was with mother at that time and I do know that Grandma Keyes was never in Michigan. I do know that when Dan was to be born that mother returned from Michigan to be with Grandma Keyes. Then she went back to Michigan and in due time Bruce was born. Thus brother Bruce was the only one of us to be born away from Pennsylvania. I have every reason to believe that the rest of my brothers were born in my own birthplace. When father started west he stopped in Michigan and sent brother Bruce home to us in Pennsylvania. This is the first time that I ever saw my brother Bruce. He was eight years older than I, so he must have been sixteen. I do not know how long father staid in Michigan before he left for Washington. I do know that he only took a couple of his brothers with him. Sometime later they sent for the rest of the families. They all went but Uncle Luther. They all settled in and around Edison in Skagit County. In due time father and Uncle Norry went up to Whatcom County and took up a government claim. After father left, my older brothers, Bruce, Art, and Hayes. This did not last long. Dan was teaching school. Bruce went to work in a dynamite factory down near Eldred. Hayes got a job "rig building" (building oil derricks). Then Dan and Archie left home to go to Washington. Bruce wanted to go too, so he sent money to Archie to come home and run the farm for mother. Archie worked very hard. I used to help, but mother kept me in school too. Mother had farmed Harvey out to different families. He was a difficult little fellow to handle. Then Archie wanted to go back to Washington. Then Hayes got into girl trouble and mother sent him to Washington. That left me alone on the farm with Maude, Martha and Christopher. Mother had some neighbor cut the hay and put in the crops, oats, buckwheat and potatoes. They would do this in shares, each taking half. She would feed us from the crops and trade any of the overs for things to eat. In the summer I would "Hunt" the seven or eight cows, drive them to the milking place, milk them (sometimes Maude would help me) and carry the milk down the hill to the house where mother took care of it. I had to do the chores in the winter time; milk the cows, feed them hay, feed hay to the sheep also, clean out the cow stables, feed the pigs and chickens. During all this time I was going to school. It was not so bad in summer time, but rather difficult in the winter time. When Archie left mother got rid of all the horses except two. We kept an old mare named Bess, and a colt of hers mother kept and gave to me. Was I proud of that Colt? I broke her myself to drive and later drove her to school. I used to read the letters that my oldest brother, Dan used to write home. I remember especially the last one, where he said, mother pack up all the household goods you can, send them by freight and come to your new home. [To be continued...] +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ VITAL DATA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Vol. 26: Some Columbia County (N.Y.) Graveyards, p. 119: Burial Lot on farm of George Snyder, 1894, near Ghent, lower village, Columbia County, N. Y.; about opposite house on knoll. [I'm not transcribing all those listed:] Geo. T. Snyder d Sep 10 1848, 87 y 10 m 24 d In mem of infant son of Tunis G & Catherine Snyder bo Jan 17 1814 Mrs Catherine wife of Tunis G. Snyder bo. Mch 27, 1778, d Aug 6, 1832 Mrs Maria Lupe wife of Martin Lupe d Oct 1, 1815, age about 90 Catherine wife of George T. Snyder Dec 18 1832, 71 y. 7 mo. 2. Massachusetts Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines in the Civil War: Arthur A. Loop, Priv., Res. Great Barrington, 19, Clerk, enlisted Sept 11, 1862, mustered Sept 19, 1862, mustered out Sept 1, 1863. Francis M. Loop, Priv., Unassigned, 6th U.S. Cav., res. _____; credit Boston, Mass; 25; soldier, enlisted June 15, 1864, Wash. D.C. for 3 years; deserted June 19, 1864; released from service Dec 26, 1891 by act of Congress approved Apr. 11, 1890, had prior service in Co. "C", 4th U.S. Army. 3. I have lost the citation for the following: Jacob Loop b. about 1820 in Ogden, Monroe, NY, m. 17 MAR 1852 Almeda Belinda Colby, b. 22 SEP 1828 in Ogden, Monroe, NY, d. 27 JUL 1863, father Ephraim Colby, mother Belinda Allen. ?????????????????????????????? QUERIES ????????????????????????????????? Please send responses to queries to the Loop Scoop. I will relay them to the person asking the question. 1. Henry H. Loop was born in New York between 1827 and 1836. He does not show up in Chautauqua County until the 1855 census of that county. There he is listed as the adopted son of Nicolas Thum and his county of birth is listed as unknown. He married Luana Marsh and lived in Chautauqua County until his death in 1911. On his death certificate his father is listed as John Loop. No mother is listed. Questions: Where was he born? Who were his parents? - Vick Bennison 2. Family info indicates father of Peter H. Loop b. 1766/7 d. 1855 Sandusky Co., OH, was Peter Loop Sr. b. 1743 Schoharie, NY, d. 1843 Woodstock, IL. Other info places Peter H. as the son of Ensign Henry Loop. Has anyone found records of a Schoharie NY Peter Loop, of a Peter Loop dying or buried at Woodstock (McHenry County) IL, or a marriage record of Ensign Henry's son Peter? My Peter Loop married Rebecca Gilbert, supposedly in 1790 at Schoharie, NY, and his tombstone has Peter Loop, JR. 1766 - 1855. - Joanne Ellis 3. I am seeking the parents of Jane Loop who married Jonathan Andrus (Andrews) of New York. Their child, Polly Andrews, born 3 APR 1791, died 17 DEC 1872 at Windsor, NY, she having married Ezra Barton on 28 NOV 1808 in Broome County, NY. Is there proof that she is the daughter of Peter Loop and Couysa Springer? - Dee Merritt 4. Who were the parents of Almond Loop, where and when were they born? Did he have any brothers and sisters? Almond was born 27 FEB 1828, in New York State, where? He was married in Bradford, Penn., to Mary Melissa Moore, 22 JAN 1850. They lived in Penn., until 1865 when they moved to Manchester, Iowa. He died 27 JUN 1912. I would like to know the parents of Mary Moore, where and when they were born. Mary was born in Jamestown, New York, 6 JAN 1836 and died 23 OCT 1901 in Iowa. - Vola Carter +++++++++++++++++++++++ NOTES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS +++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. Janet Loop announces: FOR SALE "Descendants of Dr. David Loop" compiled by Lloyd M. and Janet G. Loop. 230 pages. Bound. All information footnoted. Most lines brought to present day. Cost: $25 includes postage and handling ($22.50 for book and $2.50 postage and handling.) First printing - 70 copies available. 35 pages of late additions included with book. "Descendants of Richard Henry Loop" compiled by Lloyd M. and Janet G. Loop. 150 pages. Bound. All information footnoted. First printing - 50 copies available. Cost: $20 includes postage and handling. ($18 for book and $2 for postage and handling.) Will sent late additions as they arrive at no further cost. (Still awaiting records from Washington State on Riverius lines to present day.) Richard Henry was from Alburg, VT. Prepaid orders only to: Janet G. Loop, C.G.R.S., 3329 Glasco Turnpike, Saugerties, NY 12477 2. See last sentence in Janet's ad. Actually, my own belief, lacking any hard proof one way or the other, is that Richard Henry was not born in Alburg, as some people claim, but that he lived there for a few years around 1807. 3. Joanne Ellis provided us with a terrific breakthrough in our quest for information on the Canadian line of Loops. See the family group sheet in this issue for Benjamin Loop. I am convinced that this Benjamin Loop is the missing son of Capt. Peter, even though some of the evidence suggests otherwise. His tombstone gives him a birthdate that conflicts with the known birthday or Capt. Peter's son Benjamin. The 1861 census of Michigan, however, gives him an age that would fit with Capt. Peter's son. Tombstone inscriptions are notoriously inaccurate. I have seen two transcriptions of his tombstone (in the Bristol Cemetery in Flint, Michigan), and they disagree on the date. If anyone is ever in Flint, you might take a look at his stone and see how you read it. There are still a few Canadian Loop's that I cannot tie together. I suspect they are descendants of Capt. Peter's other missing son, Nathaniel. I would be very excited about any record of a Nathaniel Loop in Canada in the early 1800's. 4. Concerning Anna Maria Graff, the wife of John Lupp (son of Gerlach Lupp) of the New Jersey Lupp line I found the following in the History of Hunterdon County, NJ: Another young man, - Henry Graff, from Neuwrid on the Rhine, - making the acquaintance of young [Henry] Landis at Germantown, and desiring to go to some German settlement, in 1724 accompanied Landis to Amwell, where he found a home with Rudolph Harley, and a wife in his daughter Anna. Graff was born in 1699. He set to work at once to clear and cultivate his new wilderness home. In a few years (1737) he was joined by Landis ... The children of Henry Graff were Lena, Elizabeth, Sarah, Rebecca, Henry, Mary, Hannah, Daniel, Joseph, Benjamin, Samuel. Hannah married John Runkle, of Amwell. Daniel, Joseph, and Benjamin lived in Sussex Co., N.J. and Samuel resided on the homestead... So John Lupp's wife was Anna Maria Graff, daughter of Henry Graff and Anna Harley (daughter of Rudolph Harley). Note the marriage of Hannah Graff to John Runkle. Runkles also married into Ludwig Loop's family. 5. Karen Campola: You ask if it would be all right for you to index the Loop Scoop. I recommend that you wait. I have plans to start doing things a little differently with the Scoop. It will make it easier to index. This includes plans to reorganize all worthwhile information from previous issues of the Scoop. At that time it would be very useful for you to index. I hope to have worked out some of the details by the next Scoop. 6. I have become fairly convinced that my own Loop line is through Richard Henry Loop. See my query above. Though my Henry Loop fibbed regularly about his age, I have no reason to believe that he lied about his place of birth as well. Every source I have found lists his place of birth as Chautauqua County, NY. Let's assume that he was, indeed, born in Chautauqua County. The Loop's we know that were in Chautauqua County in the 1820's and 1830's are (1) Martin (son of Capt. Peter) and Richard Henry. My Henry's father was named either Henry or John depending on which source you believe. Richard Henry had both a son Henry and a son John. Richard Henry's son Henry is probably the best candidate. Does anyone know anything about Richard Henry Loop's son Henry? 7. Marilyn Loop submitted the following information found in the attic of Susan Pottenger White's grandmother's house. It was originally given to Mary Elizabeth Loop Schul by Omer Loop. It is a very nice find, even though no source information is provided. Note that Ludwig is the German form of Lewis. I've seen his name written both ways in other sources: Rev. Lewis Loop born in Germany, married Mary Ann [Anna Maria?] Spadi [or Spade] of Germany, died 1798. Mrs. Schul, your great great grandparents came from Nassau Germany and settled in Lebanon County, PA, about 1745. He was a minister in a Dutch Reformed Church. Children of Rev. Lewis and Mary Ann: 1. Philip Loop born in PA. 2. Mary Loop born in PA. 3. Simon Loop born 1766 in PA, married Mary Elizabeth Heck in PA, who was born about 1765 and died March 7, 1837 in Preble Co., Ohio. Simon died March 25, 1832 in Preble Co., Ohio. [Simon and Mary Elizabeth] were the great grandparents of Mary E. Schul. They lived in VA from about 1800 till 1829 moving from Augusta Co., VA, to Preble Co., Ohio... See the enclosed family group sheet for Simon Loop for the rest of the information. I decided not to send out a new chart on Ludwig at this time. You may want to modify your chart on Ludwig according to the above information. 8. Marilyn Loop writes: "...my husband ws at an international conference and met a gentleman from Germany who indicated to him that Gerlock in German is George in English." I always wondered if that were the case. I'd still like some verification. My large German dictionary lists Ludwig as the German Lewis, but does not list Gerlach [Sp?] as the German George. It lists Gorge (o with an umlaut) as the German George. Any German experts out there (Helmut, if you ever manage to translate this maybe you can answer this question)? 9. Marilyn Loop: As for some of your other questions. Your Christian is not Gerlach Loop's son. Gerlach's son Christian died in 1763, long before your George was born. This Christian's will, however, lists a son Christian, apparently not yet of age. About this grandson of Gerlach's we know very little. His father's will leaves him land in Sussex County NJ. There is a Christian Loop listed in Sussex County in the book "New Jersey in 1793." The book has something to do with reconstructing the 1790 NJ census using military records and tax records or whatever. I don't know if this actually means that this Christian was known to have been in Sussex in 1793 or if he was suspected to have been because of earlier military records. If he was in Sussex County in 1793 then he wasn't your Christian. I don't find a listing in the Genealogical Helper for a Sussex County historical society, but you might call or write the New Jersey Historical Society, 230 Broadway, Newark, NJ 07104, or the New Jersey State Library, Genealogy Dept., 185 West State Street, Trenton, NJ 08625-0520, or the Sussex County Clerk, Newton, NJ 07860, and ask if they know of an historical society for Sussex County. Gerlach's son Christian also had a son Jacob. All we know about him is that he died about 1794 in Sussex County, and that he had a son Christopher. Have you written the Westmoreland County Historical Society, 221 North Main St., Greensburg, PA 15601? You say you found the name of the cemetery where your Christian is buried. What is the name? Does he have a stone there?